Registered Member #29728 Joined: Wed Dec 30 2009, 01:59AM
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Hi There, I hope I did not insult you in any ways . I must tell you that I was indeed born and raised in iran as a muslim . I was not in rebellion against Islam . Islam does have its own good points as any other religon and I respect that but as human beings I believe we are free to question our faith and we have questions such as what is my purpose for being on this earth . Who is God and how do I know what I am practicing as a true religion of our fathers is the real one. I have read koran many many times and lived in iran until age 20 and migrated to the U.S. I also was drawn to new age religion and was open for God to lead me what ever way he chose . I beleive when we have to face death and eternity we must be sure where we are going to spend eternity. If I clairified Muslim as oppose to Arabs is because Islam was forced to us by sword and it was not about Arabs or humans but a religion. I however respect Muslims of today for they had nothing to do with what happend and as we know muslims are born as muslims and not by choice. We must know that if God created us as intelligent beings then he does mind if we question him infact he welcomes it. Islam and not muslims oppose christians and jews . But God created us all in his own image. Christ teaches love and tolerance and eternal life to who ever believes in him as God and savior. If I insulted you in any way it was unintentional and I ask you to forgive me if I hurt you in any ways. God bless you and thank you for replying to my post. fgolparast
Registered Member #25266 Joined: Sat May 09 2009, 07:18AM
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fadiva jan salam, you made a good point that we made from our nature to question existence and its matters. But I dont find in islam any "Rabanyat", since it is all about power. Since you read Quran, hopefully with translation, then you know that Quran is not something supernatural but more of a nomadic derived traits and desires. As I studied Quran I have not found anything that would lead me towards God and humanity but to "Faqar" which is actually said but not practiced by m., because if someone would prefer weakness over might would not murder his detainees and marry with the age of 47 a baby of age 7. it can be def. anything but holy. We got to be honest to ourselves and ask fundamental questions that would enable to understand islam and judge impartially islam and its charateristics.
Registered Member #25266 Joined: Sat May 09 2009, 07:18AM
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Mansur jan salam, I would prefer to be anything than what you like to. Have a nice time and have fun with music blessed be conscious ones, mercy upon lazy ones
Registered Member #29728 Joined: Wed Dec 30 2009, 01:59AM
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Hi Pars,
I could not agree with you more . Sorry for late response, life happens. In our hearts we know there must be more to life than just doing certain meaningless rituals . The religion is just like sings on the free way , speed limit, turn, Exit etc but it was never intended to be the aim but to make us realize we need God . But God seeks relationship with us like father and son and father and daughter . We were going stray as sheep with no sheppered when christ came. He revealed who God is and about his kingdom. Jesus says: "Come to me all who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest". " I am the truth the ressurection and life. I am the way, no one goes to the father except through me". I will never leave you nor forsake you". He came to give us life and if we believe in him as God and savior we will be born again and live for ever. Its not about right and wrong its about a loving God that his arms are open to embrace us and wipe away our tears and change our heavy garment to the garment of joy and holiness. He is the lamb of God who gave his life for the world to forgive and cleanse us from sin and darkness, depression ,illness ,selfishness ,lust and greed and to give us the very spirit that is in him so we may live with him in heaven with joy and love worshipping him for ever for a good God that he is . He will withhold no good things from those that love him and are called according to his purpose. HE is calling us today come and give your life to me and I will set you free and give you a new life and new purpose. " I have come to give you life and life more abundantly". The kings of persia were those wise men looking for the king of kings and found him in jerusalem and brought gifts and worshiped him. In avesta there is a refrence to the messaiah coming to take away the sins of the world. Cyrus the great king obayes God and freed the jews to go and freely worship their God and he sent extravagant gifts and money to rebuild the temple of solomon. Dariush helpe Daniel the servant of God and fasted for him not be hurt by the lions in the den as you might have heard the story. Esther married the king of persia ( Khashayarshah) and freed the jews from execution . God used persian kings to further his kingdom and he blessed Cyrus with the greatest empire ever existed on the face of the earth. Cyrus was so humbled by the how amazing God was toward him that he made his tumb a humble one unlike the phero's of egypt .etc.... fgolparast
Registered Member #25266 Joined: Sat May 09 2009, 07:18AM
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Fedva jan salam, yes you are right about that Jesus was an extraordinary personality( but a HUMAN like you and me) and suffered. But if you blieve in trinity( the son, the spirit and the Father) I would recommand you to read the book of Philon from Alexandria who just live like 30 to 50 you B.C. Then things get clear from where the theory of trinity comes from. Actually, I love and highly value Jesus as Buhda, Mohlana and Ghani....., people who committed their live for the unconditioal and unselfish LOVE for GOD and human beings. blessed be conscious ones, mercy upon lazy ones
Registered Member #29728 Joined: Wed Dec 30 2009, 01:59AM
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Hi Pars, You definitely have some very legitimate points. After all if its my eternity I would not want to mess with facing God and be wrong or just believe in anything somebody else think its the correct thing. God is the ultimate person that can show us the way. The best thing would be to simply ask him with an intention that we are seeking truth with a genuine heart, God himself will show us the way. There are many versus in the bible that can explain the diety of christ and it will be helpful to go streight to the bible start with the book of John (yuhanna in Farsi) and let jesus himself explain who he is. He is either a lier or he is telling the truth . Unlike other religious figures jesus did not just talk beautiful and philosophical but he walked the walk and actually healed many sicknessess , fed the hungry, raised the dead and walked on water,calmed the storm and ultimately gave his life for me and you . Jesus says: " If you do not believe the things I say, then beleive the things that I do.One distinguishing mark about christ is that unlike the prophets and Budha and others who were mere humans and died , Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after diying on the Cross and sent out deciples to tell the world about the good news of the messiah coming and paying the price of sin the hope that he is alive and can hear us when we pray and he will answer. He is the good sheppered who will lead his sheep gently and watches over them til the end of times.'All power of heaven and earth has been given to me "said he. Today in Iran 7 out of every10 people who hear about what christ did for them accept him instantly. There is no other hope for us ,no other name has been given to men by which they can be saved. There are no saviors but many religions. No king has ever stepped out of his thrown for me . No father has ever given his son for me. No religious figure could ever understand my pain and would not change place with me . No angle ever did comprehend what christ did for us when we did not even know him. When Abraham was faced with sacrifising his son for God , he was stopped by an angle for God was only showing him what he (God ) was going to do for all humanity to give up his only begotten son so he could bring many into his kingdom. Thank you for being so patient and reading through my posts . Lets put jesus to test and if he is not all that he says he is then we can always go back to what we had. God bless you richly and may he reveal himself to you.
it all started with a simple question and now i like to see where it ends up? Payaneh bashin برخسار گل خون چو شبنم نشست چه گلها که بر شاخه ی تر شکست بدی آمد و نیکی از یاد برد درخت گل سرخ را باد برد
هیاهوی مردانه کاهش گرفت سرا پرده ی عشق آتش گرفت
بسی خون بطشت طلا رنگ خورد بسی شیشه ی عمر بر سنگ خورد
Registered Member #25266 Joined: Sat May 09 2009, 07:18AM
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Fadiva jan salam dobara, you made good points concerning teaching of Jesus and his life on earth. But let us discuss abit about the fundamental 2 anchors in Christianity of which christians are proud of. The Birth and the Death of christ. Jesus's Birth through supernatural pragnency. Matthew 1:18-25; if we think about this even deeply and honsetly then we come to the point that either God has created us like bunch of idiots like talibans ( ppl of middle-rate) that our intelligence is not good enough to comperhend its accuracy and accept it consciously. But just accept it based fear and uncertainty, since when it comes to invisiblity and doubtfullness we middle-rate people tend not to take risk abut act PARAGMATICALLY. But it has to be mentioned that we are very selfish at same time unfortunately weak as well, so that we can not accept absurdity of life and too lazy and fearfull to question matters. If you ever been confronted by metholoy and took some time to think about its effect on human history things gets clearer. Atleast it is been with me that way. I understand alot better and love since then the most beloved and hatted theorists and personalities from persian and western world and understand their anxiety and feeling of responsibility not to unveil the whole nacked truth. Most of human history is based on METHOLOGY and methology is motivated by wishes and desires, that the creator lacked in reality of life. Back to your comment, let say Jesus was son of Gold, if it is the case then he has not done anything supernaturally, since God is spirit and spirit NEVER EVER SUFFER physical torture. But as far as I know and what the Bilble denotes is Matthew 27:45-46 "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani => My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me". If he came from heaven and didnt DOUGHTED he would not speak out such desperation. As we mentioned above human history is based on methology, if not christians would think twice before showing pride(self-delusion, since in parsi Fakhr=Ferib). Anyways, there alot to share with each other so be blessed from your savior.
Registered Member #25266 Joined: Sat May 09 2009, 07:18AM
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Fediva jan, I need to mention that I apalogize for my english, since it is not the language of my daily work, it may sound abit weird and difficult to pick out the context. blessed be conscious ones, mercy upon lazy ones
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